Many people say, "If you have enough time, anything is possible."
Not true. I could wait a trillion years and still suck at singing. For instance, the probability of rolling snake eyes right now is 1/36. Not that you care, but that's 1/6 times 1/6. The probability of rolling snake eyes next week is still 1/36. The probability of rolling it 1,000,000 years from now is 1/36. In 1,000,000,000 years is still 1/36. It's always going to be 1/36.
Some people think it's as if probability shrinks. As if 1/36 today is 1/35 tomorrow and 1/34 the day after. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. Probability doesn't change.
If something is really hard to do today, it's still gonna be hard tomorrow. It's not like the universe had a mind of it's own and could "practice creating things". Unless, you're assuming God was involved.
Time can't create anything either. If there was nothing around, the probability that some would spontaneously appear would be something like 1/0 <--which is mathematically impossible because you can't have 0 on the bottom of a fraction.
You can have 3/8's of a pizza. I can cut a pizza in 8 pieces and give you 3 of them. But, you cannot have 3/0's of a pizza. I can't cut Zero pieces of pizza. Even if I don't cut the pizza it's still 1 big piece. It's not ZERO pizza.
I understand atheists. I understand evidence, but we have to look at the evidence we have and not the evidence we want.
http://drcheckmate.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/respectfully-i-disagree/
Lets take this slowly. Since my original post was intended to be comedic, I will attempt to continue the theme. I will just respond to the beginning for now because it's the crux of your post, and the rest had some funny comments with little substance.
“Stuff is here,” isn’t a proof of anything. That same logic allows for the existence of Santa Claus because there are gifts under the tree
Stuff is here is a proof that it came from somewhere. If I saw gifts under the tree, I would be sure someone or something put them their. Believing in Santa Clause would be more logical then believing they magically appeared. Same goes for finding hidden jelly beans and chocolate rabbits. There has to be a source. There has to be an ultimate. I call that source God.
The question is how do you follow the evidence backwards far enough to demonstrate either a Godless universe or a God caused universe as fact?
How can you not follow the evidence that far back? Believing that nothing acted upon nothing and created everything is like believing in magic. Nothing will always be nothing even if that nothing sits around forever. It's immature and irresponsible. As far as the cog in a watch, it's safer to say the clockmaker put it there then to say, "that cog just appeared. It just showed up in my watch in the right place." You don't have to know who the clockmaker is, but you can be sure he or she exists.
“Stuff is complex.” Really? ...you immediately resort to, “Must be God?” Really? Radio waves? Criminal conspiracies? Love? Cancer? Clocks? Bird migratory patterns? This ignores the time scale
I am not sure why you mention cancer and radio waves, but Time Scale. Really? Let's have a race. I will put together a computer, and you wait for it to happen. I will even allow you to start with the pieces of a computer, though to be true to our discussion, you shouldn't get any pieces. I will give you a 30 year head start. Let's see who wins. Those pieces won't ever make a computer. Even if you put them in a tumbler for a trillion years. And if they did, you know it wouldn't work because some pieces would break in the process. But, at least our bodies aren't that complex. And by the way, if they did make a computer in the tumbler, I would remind you that you put them there making you the source.
Great conversation so far, your up next.
